Science journal bans p-values

p-valueInteresting news here that psychology journal Basic and Applied Social Psychology (BASP) has banned the use of p-values in the academic research papers that it will publish in the future.

The dangers of p-values are widely known though their use seems to persist in any number of disciplines, from the Higgs boson to climate change.

There has been some wonderful recent advocacy deprecating p-values, from Deirdre McCloskey and Regina Nuzzo among others. BASP editor David Trafimow has indicated that the journal will not now publish formal hypothesis tests (of the Neyman-Pearson type) or confidence intervals purporting to support experimental results. I presume that appeals to “statistical significance” are proscribed too. Trafimow has no dogma as to what people should do instead but is keen to encourage descriptive statistics. That is good news.

However, Trafimow does say something that worries me.

… as the sample size increases, descriptive statistics become increasingly stable and sampling error is less of a problem.

It is trite statistics that merely increasing sample size, as in the raw number of observations, is no guarantee of improving sampling error. If the sample is not rich enough to capture all the relevant sources of variation then data is amassed in vain. A common example is that of inter-laboratory studies of analytical techniques. A researcher who takes 10 observations from Laboratory A and 10 from Laboratory B really only has two observations. At least as far as the really important and dominant sources of variation are concerned. Increasing the number of observations to 100 from each laboratory would simply be a waste of resources.

But that is not all there is to it. Sampling error only addresses how well we have represented the sampling frame. In any reasonably interesting statistics, and certainly in any attempt to manage risk, we are only interested in the future. The critical question before we can engage in any, even tentative, statistical inference is “Is the data representative of the future?”. That requires that the data has the statistical property of exchangeability. Some people prefer the more management-oriented term “stable and predictable”. That’s why I wished Trafimow hadn’t used the word “stable”.

Assessment of stability and predictability is fundamental to any prediction or data based management. It demands confident use of process-behaviour charts and trenchant scrutiny of the sources of variation that drive the data. It is the necessary starting point of all reliable inference. A taste for p-values is a major impediment to clear thinking on the matter. They do not help. It would be encouraging to believe that scepticism was on the march but I don’t think prohibition is the best means of education.



1 thought on “Science journal bans p-values

  1. However much you dislike the overuse and misuse of ‘p’ values, it is ridiculous to ban them and wrong to support this ban. Ziliak and McCloskey did not seek a ban. In my summary of their book, I wrote “The message is ‘statistical significance testing is extremely widely badly used in many important fields of study’, this misuse leads to many false and misleading conclusions, and this damages us all in terms of actions taken based on such conclusions. This is not about poor significance testing, it is about wide spread ignoring of potential effect size in analysis methods and in deciding what ‘studies’ show. ….. Their aim, against extremely large inertia in publishing and practice, is to significantly change the reliance and over emphasis on ‘p’ values.” Not a ban. In some studies, ‘p’ values have a place. Banning them because of overuse and misuse is like banning knives because they are sometime used in ways we all condemn.

    The real problem is journals that insist on ‘p’ values inappropriately. Sure we must encourage more use of methods that help us ‘predict’ the future; Analytical Studies where samples are collected over time and take include as much relevant variation as possible. But bans, No!!!

    Terry Weight

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